everyone off guard. I asked how he decided the directions to take with his music.

At first he seemed unsure of even his own actions, but said, "Every song I write has to be better than the last one or else I won't do it or else I'm done. I'll be done one day when I have nothing else to say and I'll be wack.

"By the time you catch us we'll be wack so laugh"

I swear to God, I write my raps one word at a time one beat at a time and if we (Typical Cats) never do shit again, so what? Those motherfuckers are raw. To be able to be on shit with me and me be on shit with them, we're the raw mother fuckers out of Chicago in a long fucking time and the raw shit out of earth in a long time."

I asked him how he met up with Denizen and Qwazaar. Qwel said, "At HBK, Pugs (Puglsee Atomz) brought me up there first and it was just a testosterone battle to see who had the illest shit, which was me. Qwa was just raw, he was someone I felt digged this shit as much as I did and I felt like I didn't even have to check him. I barely met Denizen, he came up to me and spit a poem and I was like "this motherfucker's on some shit." Before we did Typical Cats, I spit him the pawnshop (If it ain't been in a pawnshop then it can't play the blues). When I first wrote the main track it was just a poem I wrote on a napkin at work. I spit that for him and he spit me a poem he put on the Typical Cats shit and he spit it so vivid."

He started kicking rhymes to me--giving me a better taste of his work. One thing I notice about him is when I heard and I read the rhymes he never wasted words. He never said something to just keep his flow; going every word fits perfectly.

He said, "Still sometimes I think people are dissing me like their shit is so horrible they got to be cynically dissing what I do, because I intentionally try to do skill. Motherfuckers say shit like "flabbergasted turtle armpit" and you're just saying words that link with no rhyme and reason.

Man, there were two records elected for Grammy's, not mine, not yours, not this dude in the red shirt (points to a customer looking at Qwel's cd for sale) the shit was Nelly and Eminem. It wasn't nobody else; it wasn't Aesop or anybody trying to fucking say shit with meaning.

"It's getting hot in here so take off all your clothes"

For real, write it down and read it, what if you read that? And somebody said "this is what I believe as a universal emotion." It's all image rapping. I think motherfuckers used to walk around with boom boxes on theirs shoulders now they walk around with TVs on their shoulder.

In one of my songs (Ugly Window) I put 588-2300; I just said that phone number in one of my songs really low. People emailed me asking why I said the Empire Carpet commercial number. I said well how do you know it's the number?"

I responded by saying it is how companies plant their product in your head; they come up with catchy slogans.

He agreed and added, "The dude who did the Coca-cola commercials was a doctor in psychology initially. He painted the shape of the bottle and ads to the shape of a women's curve. Vincent Van Gogh Coke AD. It's still referred to as the most beautiful shape on a woman to a male human being; the Coke bottle figure."